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Log from #Classroom on Thursday, April 11, 2013 at 8PM EDT: “Pinging”, hosted by Jonn:
[22:20:40] <Jonn> Now, who is familiarized with telepathy, specifically, with what a ping is.
[22:20:49] <DJ_Ephraim> nope
[22:20:52] * Cene 1 those who are active
[22:21:07] <Cene> Not really.
[22:21:12] <Zephyr> Iot especially
[22:21:24] <Zephyr> *not
[22:21:25] <Little_Dragon> not sure what you mean by ping, term has several meanings.
[22:21:26] <Vetr> Maybe, but not with that terminology.
[22:21:31] <Cene> Apparently Little_Dragon is.
[22:21:34] <Cene> 😛
[22:21:48] <Little_Dragon> not really
[22:21:49] * DragonAtma is here
[22:21:58] <Midnight-Kiss> not much at all
[22:22:03] <Little_Dragon> \/me prepares giant telepathic ping pong paddle
[22:22:07] <DragonAtma> or, if you prefer
[22:22:09] * DragonAtma 1
[22:22:30] <michellethemit> yes
[22:22:37] <Jonn> Okay, I am pretty much sure most of you know (at least) how a ping works. Ill start by explaining what a ping is
[22:22:55] <Jonn> But first of all, I would like to point that my experience and vocabulary comes mostly from psionics.
[22:23:16] <Jonn> If you have any doubt or question, please type /me has a question
[22:23:34] * Midnight-Kiss nods
[22:23:40] <Jonn> I will gladly help in the order that questions come up.
[22:25:11] <Jonn> I will take a risk here asking your impressions, but since Im not a fan of bottled up classes, I will… what is a ping for you (all)?
[22:25:26] <Jonn> In a telepathy context.
[22:26:03] <DJ_Ephraim> i’m guessing it has a relation to teh term used in computing
[22:26:05] <Midnight-Kiss> If I had to guess, Id say its a way to telepathically get the attention of someone.
[22:26:12] <DragonAtma> mmhmm
[22:26:16] <Midnight-Kiss> Or to test the connection
[22:26:17] <Jonn> DJ_Ephraim: It does.
[22:26:18] <Midnight-Kiss> one of the two
[22:26:35] <DragonAtma> like poking someone… psionically.
[22:26:36] <Vetr> I’m thinking ping as in sonar, a bit.
[22:26:41] <DragonAtma> Hey.
[22:26:44] <Jonn> Midnight-Kiss: You are correct in your first answer, and it has a relation to the second one.
[22:26:57] <Jonn> Vetr and DragonAtma fit perfectly as well.
[22:28:06] <Little_Dragon> sending out a signal to either stimulate a response to read or get the attention of and communicate with the person.
[22:28:19] <Jonn> In layman terms, a ping (in relation to telepathy) is a method to call someone’s attention by giving them (metaphorically) a tap.
[22:28:47] <Jonn> Might be a simple, “hey”, for example.
[22:29:12] <Little_Dragon> sounds simple enough
[22:29:32] <Jonn> No questions?
[22:29:48] <Jonn> Good.
[22:30:24] <Jonn> The idea of this class is to do a little experiment for 5 days.
[22:30:54] <Jonn> Where in the end, we will share the data with each other and eventually progress to more complex things.
[22:31:19] <Jonn> Who here is willing to participate in an experiment to collect data?
[22:31:39] * Vetr shrugs
[22:31:41] <Vetr> why not?
[22:31:44] <michellethemit> sure
[22:31:45] <Midnight-Kiss> sure
[22:31:46] <Little_Dragon> you mean have each of us ping somebody else and we are to try to detect when we are pinged and who pinged us?
[22:32:00] <DJ_Ephraim> sure
[22:32:02] <Little_Dragon> sure
[22:32:04] <DJ_Ephraim> <3 data
[22:32:08] <Jonn> Little_Dragon: I will explain the methodology, but that is the idea.
[22:32:55] <Zephyr> sure
[22:32:56] <Zephyr> I will
[22:33:34] <Jonn> Even though Im sure everyone here is familiarized with pinging, I will explain shortly three different methods:
[22:33:38] <Jonn> 1. Visualization
[22:33:50] <Little_Dragon> which will beg the following question: what will indicate to one who receives a ping that he is being pinged? as in, what are the symptoms of a ping?
[22:33:53] <Jonn> 2. Sensory method
[22:34:08] <Jonn> Little_Dragon: I will answer your question in a minute
[22:34:14] <Jonn> And 3. Just-do-it
[22:34:37] <Jonn> Those 3 might as well summarize the ways most ESP are done, I should add.
[22:35:31] <Jonn> I will start with a visualization method. In which afterwards, I will answer Little_Dragon’s question. Anybody else has a question?
[22:36:17] * Midnight-Kiss shakes her head
[22:36:20] <Jonn> Alright. I will presume nobody else has a question.
[22:37:15] <Jonn> Visualization is very dependent of each person. It is a method where one uses a mix of imagination and intention/focus to carry out an action.
[22:37:26] * DragonAtma waves and brbs
[22:38:03] <Jonn> In this case, let’s presume I am going to ping DragonAtma, who is currently about to go away.
[22:38:40] <Jonn> First, I would visualize DragonAtma.
[22:39:09] <Jonn> Second, I would visualize a bridge, for example, connecting me with DragonAtma
[22:39:51] <Jonn> And third, I would visualize a representation of a “hey” (like a hand) crossing the bridge and poking DragonAtma
[22:40:35] <Jonn> To summarize an effective visualization, it has three key components: target, connection, message.
[22:40:47] <Jonn> Any question?
[22:41:04] <DJ_Ephraim> nope
[22:41:42] <Cene> Would you think ‘hey’ while you’re poking?
[22:41:49] <Little_Dragon> negatory
[22:42:23] <Jonn> Cene: You might think of the word “hey” as well as representing it visually.
[22:42:38] <Jonn> The important thing about the visualization is coming up as clear as possible.
[22:42:50] <DragonAtma> back, sorry
[22:43:11] <Jonn> First recognizing the target, second at establishing a concrete connection, and third by delivering a clear message.
[22:43:33] <Jonn> Do not worry about the representations, as they are not the actual mechanism.
[22:43:47] <Little_Dragon> i would just visualize that annoying fairy from Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time flying over and poking while yelling Hey!…if you played it you would see why it could be appropriate…
[22:44:40] <DJ_Ephraim> i was thinking the same thing LD
[22:44:41] <Jonn> I will answer your question soon, Little_Dragon. I have no forget it.
[22:44:56] <Jonn> Alright. Sensory method.
[22:45:05] * Cene just visualizes tinkerbell
[22:45:07] <Little_Dragon1> dang…bad time for the connection to get all screwy
[22:45:28] <Jonn> Sensory method is more oriented for the people who are more of a touch/listen kind of person
[22:45:36] * Little_Dragon1 visualizes a fly swatter
[22:46:06] <Jonn> I prefer this method over visualization, but it is a little more difficult to grasp.
[22:47:12] <Jonn> Why do I prefer it over visualization? Simple. Using visualization to send, maybe not a problem, but when you have to identify a ping, or any telepathic input, or any ESP related ability, this might lead to Analytical Overlay (AOL)
[22:47:25] <Zephyr> ?
[22:47:55] <Jonn> Zephyr, do you have a question?
[22:48:19] <Zephyr> What’s analytical overlay?
[22:48:38] <DragonAtma> analytical overlay = HUD, I beloieve
[22:49:09] <DragonAtma> like
[22:49:29] <Jonn> Analytical overlay in simple terms is when you add a layer of thoughts to the information that is being received by any ESP means.
[22:49:31] <Zephyr> ah
[22:49:33] <Midnight-Kiss> I would think it would be that hte person being pinged might think it was related to something they do
[22:49:34] <Zephyr> oh
[22:49:34] <Little_Dragon1> Analytical overlay is when your own conscious mind adds to or distorts received data causing you to incorrectly interpret what you sense.
[22:49:47] <DragonAtma> Ah.
[22:50:00] <Zephyr> oh, like when your imagination interferes with your astral sight?
[22:50:04] <Midnight-Kiss> so what I said 😛
[22:50:05] <Jonn> Correct.
[22:50:13] <Jonn> Like that, Zephyr.
[22:50:14] <DragonAtma> so that’s whjy nobody minds AOL sharing the acronym of a hated ISP XD
[22:50:20] <Zephyr> lol
[22:50:29] <Jonn> Correct too, DragonAtma.
[22:50:50] <Little_Dragon1> AOL Hell is a term that can be applied to psionics as well…
[22:50:51] <Jonn> Anyways.
[22:51:02] <Jonn> Sensory method:
[22:51:31] <Jonn> This one can be less elaborated than visualization, but key concepts still remain: target, connection and clear message.
[22:52:06] <Jonn> Instead of visualizing the process, you would emulate touch and hearing.
[22:52:35] <Jonn> Touch as in a poke, and hearing for receiving.
[22:53:03] <Little_Dragon1> in other words, just reach out and harrass somene.
[22:53:08] <Little_Dragon1> i mean, touch
[22:53:12] <Jonn> And at last, just-do-it method. This one is a little hard to explain, because it is, most of the times a thing of trial-and-error.
[22:53:38] * Cene doesn’t get how the sensory method is less prone to aol.
[22:53:49] <Jonn> It might be one of the two (visualization or sensory) or a combination.
[22:54:57] <Jonn> Cene: Since you are not adding a layer of thought to the process, specially visual, it seems to be more efficient and less counter-productive to interpret.
[22:55:45] <Jonn> That would be my experience and observations Ive made though. If you have something to share, you are welcome to do so.
[22:55:55] <Cene> I don’t really get what you mean by that? I mean that I sometimes hear beeps and such when they’re not there.
[22:56:13] <Cene> Mainly because I have beeps for notifications for lots of things.
[22:56:27] <Jonn> In my experience, they are not like real audible sounds.
[22:56:37] <Jonn> In my case, at least.
[22:56:42] <Cene> How do you mean?
[22:57:01] <Cene> These weren’t either. They were kind of echoes of the normal sounds.
[22:57:14] <Jonn> They are more like ‘ticks’ in my mind. A “sound” that does not match my own internal voice.
[22:57:55] <Cene> ?? Internal voice?
[22:57:56] <Jonn> I dont know about you guys, but when I talk in my mind, there is like this voice (that casually sounds like my real voice).
[22:58:25] <Jonn> Yes, internal voice. Have you not talked to yourself ever?
[22:58:30] <Cene> Oh, that. Of course they don’t sound like my internal voice, because they’re beeps–nothing human voice-like about them.
[22:59:07] <Cene> In lots of cases they’re literally ‘ping’ sounds. 😛
[22:59:22] <Cene> Since the programs are set up that was.
[22:59:24] <DragonAtma> it’s only natural for your internal voice to souind different from the voice of you talking
[22:59:27] <Cene> *way
[22:59:38] <Jonn> They may be something related to pinging or they may not. In my opinion, you would have to evaluate yourself and what you would consider as a ping.
[22:59:42] <DragonAtma> as there’s a bit of itnefrerence between your mouth and your ears, changing the apparent sound of your voice somewhat
[23:00:04] <DragonAtma> same reason that a recording of you sounds so different from you hearing yourself talking
[23:00:07] <Cene> “Since you are not adding a layer of thought to the process, specially visual, it seems to be more efficient and less counter-productive to interpret.” *still doesn’t get what that means*
[23:00:23] <Jonn> Remember, pinging is simply a way of calling someone’s attention, not what to expect as to the way to call your attention in specifics.
[23:01:08] <Jonn> Cene: I can elaborate in that later, as to not slow the class (specially since I came in late).
[23:01:21] <Jonn> Unless anyone else is in doubt about it.
[23:01:24] <Jonn> Anyone else?
[23:02:17] <Jonn> Alright. Now before explaining what the methodology of the experiment will be, who are active and willing to participate?
[23:02:23] <Jonn> (last time I ask, promise).
[23:02:36] <Cene> I probably can’t, due to exams then.
[23:02:37] * Little_Dragon1 raises tail
[23:02:42] <Zephyr> I can if we do it fairly soon
[23:02:49] <Little_Dragon1> sure, why not
[23:02:50] <Midnight-Kiss> hmm, Ill do it I guess
[23:02:56] <Vetr> Probably. Never agree to something before you hear the details though.
[23:03:01] <DragonAtma> Unfortunately, I’m somewhat occupied; sorry :/
[23:03:13] <michellethemit> i’m with vetr
[23:03:28] <Little_Dragon1> So, what will the victims *ahem* guinea pigs in this experiment be doing?
[23:03:30] <DJ_Ephraim> i’ll try, no concrete promises tho
[23:03:59] <Jonn> Alright.
[23:04:11] <Jonn> The methodology is quite simple.
[23:04:31] <Jonn> First, I want you to pick a partner.
[23:04:36] <Jonn> This will be done in pairs.
[23:04:53] <Midnight-Kiss> Ive got zephy 😛
[23:04:54] <Zephyr> hey sis
[23:04:58] * Zephyr giggles
[23:05:21] <DJ_Ephraim> i’ll pair up with Cene?
[23:05:24] * michellethemit pulls vetr over
[23:05:30] <michellethemit> well hello there, stranger
[23:05:39] * Vetr has been nabbed
[23:05:41] <Jonn> You dont have to pick a partner today
[23:05:56] <Little_Dragon1> anyone else left?
[23:05:59] <Jonn> The experiment will start on monday.
[23:06:13] <Jonn> Hoping that more people will join the experiment until then
[23:06:24] * Cene said she was busy, sorry.
[23:06:37] <DJ_Ephraim> then i’ll be with LD
[23:06:51] * Little_Dragon1 shrugs
[23:06:51] <Little_Dragon1> ok
[23:06:52] <Jonn> Starting next monday until friday, each of the pair will ping each other between 2-3 times a day.
[23:07:23] <Jonn> And you will take note of the time when you pinged, and the time you believe you were pinged.
[23:07:37] <Little_Dragon1> ok
[23:08:04] <Little_Dragon1> sounds simple…but first shouldn’t we try pinging each other now to see how it feels?
[23:08:12] <Jonn> The times can be pre-arranged (for example, first ping will be between 8-10am)
[23:08:36] <Jonn> Or they can be totally random. Thats your choice as a pair, but take note of that choice.
[23:08:54] <Jonn> Results will not be shared between the pair.
[23:09:28] <Jonn> They wont be shared during the experiment’s duration. The idea is to try to make it the least subjective as possible.
[23:10:02] <Zephyr> okay
[23:10:14] <Jonn> Then on friday, we will share with each other the results.
[23:10:38] <Jonn> Hopefully, I will be able to measure the performance of you.
[23:10:54] <Jonn> If the data I manage to gather is sufficient enough to permit so.
[23:11:06] <Jonn> Does everyone agrees or have any questions?
[23:11:14] <michellethemit> i’m cool with it
[23:11:30] <Zephyr> I think it sounds fun
[23:11:32] <Little_Dragon1> just a suggestion, find out which time zone your partner is in.
[23:11:37] <Little_Dragon1> and when he sleeps.
[23:11:58] <Jonn> I would suggest to pre-establish times for pings.
[23:12:22] <Midnight-Kiss> aalright
[23:12:30] <Jonn> With a two hour margin for the ping.
[23:12:44] <Jonn> (At least)
[23:13:07] <Jonn> Anybody got questions?
[23:15:24] <Jonn> I guess not. Thank you for assisting this short class on pinging. I am without a partner, so if anyone doesnt has a partner or still has questions, please PM me.
[23:15:35] <Jonn> Class adjourned. Thank you very much.

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